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PamAnderson Interview

Author/s: Hal Rubenstein
Issue: Nov, 1998

Starring Pamela Anderson, and featuring slamming and jamming five-time world surfing champion, Kelly Slater

Pamela Anderson the actress seems almost superfluous to her truer calling: phenomenon. She is a celebrity storm so enormous that everything she does, from the moment she gets out of (or into) bed, seems to zoom around the world before she's even had time to adjust her makeup.

I know you won't believe me, but she's really a little bit of a thing. The kind of girl your mother would call cute as a button. In fact, when Pamela Anderson curls up on the couch in her motor home, on location for her new TV series V.I.P., she barely fills up one cushion. How could anyone this pert and adorable (OK, OK, there's some awesome cleavage, too) cause a rampage in Cannes, a logjam on the Internet, and a mad dash to the back of the video store? How could her smallest private moments become so hugely public that everything she does seems to draw an audience?

Amazing what a few layouts in a magazine, marriage to a spoiled rock star, and a purloined tape can do. But if you're expecting someone from the Brigitte Nielsen School for the Notorious, forget it. Pamela Anderson is no grandstanding, gold-digging, Cindy Adams-worshiping, Spandex-sporting virago who regards getting her name in print as essential to her existence as weekly nail wrappings.

From the afternoon she was discovered by a beer company - when her pretty face was inadvertently splashed across a stadium JumboTron - through her Playboy pictorials and her stints as Ms. Tool Time and the beach babe whom half of America was willing to drown for and the leather cinched-till-it-pinched bitch named Barb Wire, Pamela Anderson has led an existence to rival Candide's. It is to her credit that, after everything that's turned her into a semiregular on Entertainment Tonight, she still has the naivete of Voltaire's young hero.

Unfortunately, her naivete is also the source of much of the confusion that often surrounds her. Anderson finds solace in her two children by Tommy Lee, Dylan and Brandon, with occasional visits from Gidget's dream date, surfer Kelly Slater. And she's excited about her new show. She's excited about a fresh start. It makes her eyes twinkle as if she's starting in a Doris Day remake. It just goes to show you: Even if everyone's seen proof that you've lost your virginity, you don't have to lose your innocence.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: When I told people I was interviewing Pamela Anderson, they all said, "Wow! We love her. She's so cool."

PAMELA ANDERSON: ". . . but she's always in trouble!" It's so funny when I hear stories like this, though. Because you don't realize people know who you are. After all these covers, all these interviews, it becomes kind of surreal. But I'm beginning to believe that it's only the journalists who are saying bad things, especially the ones who make up stuff when they can't talk to you directly. It's no fun if you're nice. But I've never met anyone who said anything bad to me in person.

HR: Right before the release of your 1996 movie, Barb Wire, I remembering seeing a picture of you with no makeup. And I went, "Wow, she's pretty."

Pamela Anderson: Aw . . .

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Then I watched Barb Wire and it was like . . .

Pamela Anderson: AGGGHHH!!!! [laughs]

HAL RUBENSTEIN: "Why is she doing this?"

Pamela Anderson: It wasn't supposed to turn out like it did. When I saw the comic book the movie's based on. I thought, Oh, my God, she's on a motorcycle in leather, crazy, with big hair, glamorous. This is hysterical. It's totally me. It was going to be a dark comedy, real cartoony. Then, before going into production, I went to Cannes to promote it, got all this attention, and Polygram, the movie's backer, went, "Maybe this is bigger than we thought." They began changing it, trying to make it much more commercial. More action, less humor, a different director. They changed the script six million times. I wound up going against my instincts, so it was really difficult for me. I wanted to keep it tongue-in-cheek, but it didn't work out that way. All the irony was gone. Still, there's this little cult of different people who love that movie. I mean, I know a lot of drag queens who dress up like Barb Wire.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: If Barb Wire didn't turn out as you'd hoped, are you more amused when you watch old episodes of Baywatch?

Pamela Anderson: No. I've never seen an episode of Baywatch.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: You've never seen the show?

Pamela Anderson: No. I can't watch myself on television.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: [laughs] Why not?

Pamela Anderson: Believe it or not, neither could Tommy. I would never let him watch an episode. I watched part of one once, and I almost fainted. I never felt really confident in what I was doing in the past. I don't regret it. It was a positive experience for me, and it did me a lot of good. I mean, a lot of good! But, c'mon, what was I supposed to do? Go home and have Baywatch parties and have my friends come over and watch me on television? Yet on the new show, I watch the dailies every day.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: I've heard you are executive producing V.I.P. but you didn't want to make that fact public because you figured everybody would laugh.

Pamela Anderson: Exactly.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Well, I won't, so tell me. [laughs]

Pamela Anderson: I had a choice to do a network sitcom or something for syndication. But because of what happened on the movie, I wanted to be a part of the creative process. I helped assemble this show and have been involved in everything from hiring production designers and art directors to casting people. I have strong opinions about what I want to play and what I think TV is missing. I loved shows like I Dream of Jeannie and Gilligan's Island - silly stuff, really light and entertaining. V.I.P. is all bright colors and daylight, and full of lots of crazy clothes. In a way, it's like the Spice Girls Bodyguard Agency. Except everyone else is being very serious about what they do and then they throw me in the middle of it wearing something ridiculous.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: So it's a complete reversal of the image that developed with the combination of your marriage to Tommy Lee and your look in Barb Wire, which got kind of dark, didn't it?

Pamela Anderson: I know. And that's not me at all. I've always been very positive, the eternal optimist. My brother-who runs my Web site, has been my best friend my whole life, and knows me better than anyone - always asks, "God, Pam, are you ever going to say a bad word about anybody?" And every once in a while, like when a tabloid claims I'm a heroin addict and he knows I'm antidrugs, my brother'll call and go, "What's going on?" It's kind of like getting caught in an amazing machine. But you have to laugh. Who would have thought it would have all gotten so huge in such a short amount of time? I mean, It's not like I've done a lot. I don't think I've been really successful at anything.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Baywatch was successful.

Pamela Anderson: But I've only done that, Home Improvement, Barb Wire, and now this. That's it. It's really not much. But I guess every now and then the media take one person or group and spin it out of control. Except I thought the novelty would wear off by now.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: And has it?

Pamela Anderson: It's as if everywhere I turn, there's the paparazzi. I ask, "Wait, what's the big deal? I'm only going to the grocery store." But there they are.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Do you accept it as part of your life now or does it hurt you?

Pamela Anderson: I've gone through phases. When I was nine months pregnant, I remember just going for a walk with the paparazzi running after me, and eventually wrestling with a photographer. And I'm like, "What am I doing?" They catch you so off-guard sometimes. I'm returning from taking my kids to the beach - which I love to do - and there's a jeep backing up at high speed, almost hitting other children, to get a picture of me and them. There has to be a line. I understand that they have a job, and certain journalists and photographers behave professionally. But some don't think of your safety. They run red lights, go down one-way streets, drive you off the road. It's so bizarre.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: What do the kids think? Do they know what's happening to Mom?

Pamela Anderson: No. They see me on TV sometimes, and go, "That's Mommy!" But actually, any blonde on television is "Mommy."

HAL RUBENSTEIN: When you were a kid, what was your impression of Hollywood? Did you want to be a movie star?

Pamela Anderson: No, I didn't really know too much about it. I just thought actors had actor kids and they all lived together in something like a commune. I never thought of it as a profession or anything I could ever do.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: When did it hit you that this was an opportunity?

Pamela Anderson: When I did Playboy, moved to L.A., and started meeting people just like me who were involved in the business.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: What was your first response when Playboy asked you to pose?

Pamela Anderson: I was watching a girlfriend in a fashion show when they first came up to me, and I said, "No. Are you crazy?" Then, when they asked me again, this time to pose for a cover, I thought, "Well, a cover isn't nude. Maybe I can do that." Plus, a cover meant fame. But my boyfriend at the time was furious. He said, "You're not going to do that! You're not doing anything!" So out of spite, I did it. [laughs] I mean, whatever. It was fun.

HR: When somebody says you can't do something, do you always go the other way?

Pamela Anderson: Not always. But everyone's life is their own journey, and for someone to impose on you that way is just . . . I don't like that.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Do you feel that working in Hollywood offers you less or more independence than you had before?

Pamela Anderson: Oh, more. I'm a professional, a single more, and I'm very independent. I make good money, so I can look after myself, my children. I don't need anybody.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: You really feel you need no one?

Pamela Anderson: Well, my mind is changing. Slowly. [laughs]

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Is this due to your privacy being so invaded these last few years?

Pamela Anderson: Yeah. Look, what I've gone through has only made me stronger. Anything you survive does. And I've learned a lot of lessons about patience and separating myself from all the garbage. One of them is that you have to believe that everything is a blessing, even if it's one in disguise. You can get through it if you trust that it's all for a reason.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Do you really think all that unwanted attention was a blessing?

Pamela Anderson: I don't know what that blessing is yet, but . . . yeah, I feel fortunate.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: In what way?

Pamela Anderson: Because of it, I can be where I am, enjoying doing what I do.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Doing a TV show, or for that matter, making a movie, is far less glamorous than anybody thinks it is. You start at six in the morning and finish at God knows what time of night. Your days are spent with the crew, who are hardly glamorous. And then the project opens, and all of a sudden it's evening gowns and spotlights. How silly is this?

Pamela Anderson: It's dress-up. You know, child's play. It's amazing that we can make a living at having fun. I look around sometimes and say, "I can't believe I'm doing this." I mean, I know there are a lot of actors who take this very seriously.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Have you ever studied acting?

Pamela Anderson: No, I need to, though. [laughs]

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Why do you think you need to?

Pamela Anderson: Because it's a craft, and everyone should work at their craft. Especially now that I've started to enjoy the whole process of being an actress. At first, I was just going and going, working and working. Learning on the job, winging it. Luckily, I have a good memory. I look at my lines once and I know them. But I didn't even know what I was getting into. I wasn't thinking, I'm going to get famous. But then, when you're there, you're like, "Wow, this is serious!" And it is serious.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Have you ever felt endangered or threatened?

Pamela Anderson: I've been stalked. But I have good security. And it doesn't stop me from doing things on my own.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Now that you're single.

Pamela Anderson: Actually, I love it. I have two children now instead of three. It's actually easier.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Why is that?

Pamela Anderson: Because I don't have anybody else vying for attention.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: So Tommy doesn't know how to give it up to be a Dad?

Pamela Anderson: I think he really wanted to be a good dad, and he really loved the concept of having children. And he does love them, but I think he was a little put off by how much attention I gave the children and how much less attention he wound up getting. I think he went through postpartum.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: As soon as you have kids the world revolves around them.

But Tommy and I started out having a very intense, fun, crazy relationship because we were two kids. We were madly in love. It wasn't like drugs or alcohol or anything like that. We were both just really passionate about life. But then, when I had my children, the same passion I had about everything else in my lite and the man in my life, I had for my children. It overwhelms me how much love I have for Brandon and Dylan. Watching them, caring for them, learning From them. I mean, Brandon is wise beyond his years.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: And Tommy couldn't take the competition? Are things better now?

Pamela Anderson: No. It's not going well at all. So we'll see. I only wish he could understand what happened, but when he brings up the past, when he talks about us, I think, Who are you talking about?

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Is he still denying the way he treated you?

Pamela Anderson: A lot of denial. I thought it was heading a different way, but it's not.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Have you spoken to him since he got out of jail for abusing you?

Pamela Anderson: No. I've talked to his therapist. Tommy's not talking to me right now.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Is he working at it?

Pamela Anderson: I really don't know where his head is at. He's actually in a very scary place as far as I'm concerned. It's not good. Who knows what's going to happen? I left him a message saying, "I'm really happy for you. I'm happy that you've learned so much, done so much, read so much. Everything can only be better. And I know you don't want to talk to me right now, you don't want to work on our friendship, and that you feel bad. But I support you and I love you, and always will." But he can't understand my loving him from a distance. He says, "You're either married to me or I hate you. If you're going to divorce me, I don't want to ever talk to you again." With Tommy, it's always all or nothing. Any time anyone is out of his life, he finds every negative, tries with everything in his power to hate that person. He's never said one nice thing about his ex-wife [Heather Locklear]. I know the pattern. I see it. And that's his protection.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: But she never disparages him. Or you.

Pamela Anderson: No. I've never met her. But she seems like a really nice girl. And she's moved on with her life; she's very happy, I'm sure.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: I don't know how serious your relationship is with Kelly Slater. But considering how the media hounded you and Tommy, are you afraid of the same thing happening all over again?

Pamela Anderson: It definitely puts on a lot of pressure. And he's the last person in the world I'd ever want to hurt or get harmed in any way because of the pressures of my life. I love the way he lives his. I have a lot of respect for him. Right now, there's really nothing to say about our relationship. It's not like with Tommy. I feel like a lot of times I had to defend Tommy, because a lot of people had an image of him that was incorrect, whereas I think Kelly kind of stands on his own. He doesn't need a defense from me.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: But your worlds are so different.

Pamela Anderson: Not really. Not in my personal life.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: But is he aware how things can spin out of control?

Pamela Anderson: Well, he's known me for a while. He didn't talk to me while I was married, but . . .

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Why not?

Pamela Anderson: Oh, I didn't have any male friends when I was married!

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Tommy Lee was that jealous?

Pamela Anderson: Put it this way: We were with each other 24-7, and that was it. I told Kelly, "I'm really sorry about how it went; I just feel really bad that I didn't talk to you." And he says it's OK, that he always knew what I was kind of up to. And I told him, "Now I don't want to leave you again," and he said I never did. I'm not ready for a relationship with anybody right now. I'm not ready to move on. But we're really good friends, we love each other, and he's just been so supportive of me. He knows how I am, who I am, and all the hype doesn't faze him.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: So he doesn't believe everything he reads In the papers?

Pamela Anderson: No, but my grandma does. She gets every single one of those tabloids. She also has one of those police scanners, you know, because she has to know all the gossip in our little town on Vancouver Island. She knows everything about everybody. She called my Dad and said I went to a wedding on the Queen Mary and I ate the entire buffet. So my Dad phoned me and asked, "Pamela, is this true?" Of course, I told him I've never been to the Queen Mary, I didn't go to a wedding there, and I didn't eat any buffet. And he went, "I still don't think it's appropriate behavior." He didn't believe me. He's like so many other people. If it's written, it's true. And by the time the retraction comes, who sees it? So you have to have a sense of humor about things.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Is fame worth all this?

Pamela Anderson: I don't think of it that way. Day-by-day, my life just is what it is. My best girlfriend for seventeen years works for the Department of Motor Vehicles back home in Victoria [British Columbia], and there're good things and bad things about her job, too. It's all relative. It's all drama, you know. More people know my business than hers, but still, life can be just as painful for her.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: But you didn't choose to work at the DMV.

Pamela Anderson: But I didn't plan this either. I was going to do this until it kind of stopped, I didn't realize it was going to go on so long.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: It's not uncommon for many actors who gain recognition quickly to start feeling unworthy, insecure. Do you ever wake up in a cold sweat?

Pamela Anderson: I haven't let it freak me out. The press is so surreal to me because they created a monster. But I have my own life at home with my kids that's very simple. And I have fun. I definitely have fun. Because I don't let my public and private lives run into each other.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: What do you want from V.I.P.? An Emmy? Movies?

Pamela Anderson: Who knows? When it comes to my career, or whatever this is, I have no control. No control over anything. I mean, this show is going to come out, the reviews are going to be horrible, they're going to just rip it apart. . . .

HAL RUBENSTEIN: You think so?

Pamela Anderson: Oh, yeah, of course, because it's not Masterpiece Theatre.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Well, for that matter, Baywatch got slugged when it started, too.

Pamela Anderson: And it's still getting slugged. And it's still a huge hit.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: Like Xena and Hercules.

Pamela Anderson: Exactly. They're hysterical, Because they're just goofy entertainment and that's enough. It's like making fun of being in a television show. We've put together a really ambitious action show, crammed with drama and glamour and tongue-in-cheek humor - and me thrown in the middle of it in hot pants and high heels, jumping off buildings with bombs going off behind me.

HAL RUBENSTEIN: OK. But a moment ago you said you wanted to learn your craft. Do you think anyone will ever accept you as an actress if you're wearing hot pants and high heels?

Pamela Anderson: I am an actress when I'm wearing hot pants and high heels. [laughs] OK? This is how I make my living. And I think it's funny, and l think it's fun. Whether people like it or not, I'm having a blast!

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